Stop Playing It Safe with Rick Roque

Hello and welcome to the inaugural episode of The MikedUp Show’s Season Five!! We are so happy to be back and ready to share more valuable insights from the brightest minds of the industry. And our first guest is a doozy!

Hello and welcome to the inaugural episode of The MikedUp Show’s Season Five!! We are so happy to be back and ready to share more valuable insights from the brightest minds of the industry. And our first guest is a doozy.

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KNOW HOW - AND WHY - TO PIVOT

Rick described his career as one “defined by pivoting,” and that may be the clearest way to understand his impact on our industry. He began with an electrical engineering background, moved through the dot-com world, experienced the boom-and bust cycle of early internet infrastructure, built and sold tech companies, and later moved into mortgage technology and consulting. That pattern matters because mortgage pros often talk about reinvention as if it’s something forced on them.

Rick’s story suggests something different. Reinvention can be a discipline. It can be a way of reading the market, understanding where the next wave is forming, and deciding whether to ride it or get buried by it. He talked about the dot-com era as starting from scratch, when the world was still figuring out how to get people online, move data, and build the backbone for what later became e-commerce. That same lens applies to mortgage today. We are in a similar moment; only now the infrastructure is not just wires, servers, and websites. It is AI, automation, compliance, workflow, and consumer happiness. For leaders and LOs, this is a simple, albeit uncomfortable, message. Careers are not protected by tenure. They are protected by adaptability and the ability to walk in other departments’ shoes.

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3:47 - 4:24 -- "I've always reflected on my career as one that's been defined by pivoting, managing my career by pivoting. Or riding the wave, because every industry and every economic cycle have a wave you can ride. Higher education was a wave, fintech is a wave, the mortgage bubble was a wave, the dot com was a wave. I was with a dot com company for six years and it was just the classic boom and bust story."

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7:03 - 7:33 -- "I always kind of straddled the operating side of mortgage along with the technical needs. I would go into mortgage companies and sit down with the tech folks and I would say, "Forget about technology. What's the problem you're trying to solve? Let's look at the workflow. Let's really understand needs." And then I'd twist and contort and configure and customize whatever solution we had to meet those needs."

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TECH ISN’T A STRATEGY: IT’S THE CONTAINER THAT HOLDS STRATEGY

One of our favorite parts of our talk with Rick was the discussion of the old ‘Encompass vs. Calyx’ shift and what it reveals about mortgage technology. He recalled conversations around the need for rules, compliance controls, and field-level governance at a time when the industry was moving inexorably into a post-crisis regulatory environment. The key point that Rick stressed wasn’t that one system had better buttons than the other. It was that one company understood the future problem better.

Lending is once again surrounded by tech noise. AI platforms, automation tools, CRMs, funnels, and workflow products are everywhere you look. But Rick’s comments reminded us that the best tech decisions don’t begin with a demo. They begin with the question: what problem are we actually trying to solve? That is the mindset many companies still miss. They buy tools hoping that strategy will create itself. It doesn’t. The Encompass/Calyx story is a clarion call. Flexibility can be a strength. But when the regulatory environment changes, uncontrolled flexibility could be a liability. The companies that prioritize compliance and control will win the next era.

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20:10 - 21:10 -- "You hear all these things about AI. And one vantage point, in essence, is AI is going to take over or remove activities that humans weren't really designed to do. We're humans. I'm a human. I'm designed to think, analyze, reflect, be philosophical, provide guidance, and understand others. Yes, I can do mechanical activities like count and do math, but that's not really utilizing what makes me uniquely human. So AI is just taking away those tedious activities that humans have always done because we had to."

AI IS HERE TO HELP (IF YOU KNOW HOW TO GET THE MOST OUT OF IT)

When the conversation turned to AI, Rick rejected the idea that technology simply makes people less informed. Instead, he framed it as a shift in what humans should be spending their time doing. The same is true in mortgage. In the past, originators had to manually work through handwritten forms and manage tasks that technology can now handle faster and with fewer errors.

The risk is that people confuse task reduction with expertise reduction. Rick’s argument is more optimistic. AI should remove the work humans were never uniquely designed to do, so they can focus on what actually makes them valuable. That includes judgment, empathy, and the ability to understand a consumer’s real situation. From our perspective, that is the part of the AI conversation that deserves attention. If AI is used only to cut cost, the industry will miss the point.

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BEING A STRONG LEADER DOESN’T HAVE TO MEAN PLAYING IT SAFE

Rick describes himself as “a spoke in a wheel,” surrounded by capable leaders and long tenured executives. But he also made a valuable point: leaders do not have to play it safe. That matters in a business where many people confuse longevity with leadership. Being around a long time is not the same as leading. In the grand scheme of things, leaders often have a small window in this industry. Many major figures have come and gone, and none of us has unlimited time to make an impact.

That urgency is important for IMBs, especially those trying to decide whether to scale, recruit differently, or build a better platform for their LOs. To be frank, it’s dangerous for companies to tread water or rely on old-school culture without translating that into a modern recruiting and growth platform. In mortgage, especially when it comes to money and change, people can put their heads in the sand. But leadership requires more than stewardship. It requires pressure. It requires challenging the organization, even when that’s not always welcomed. That is what growth leaders do

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